VOTE: Moving to OOTP 14

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  • #3149
     Hong Kong CUB 
    Spectator

    Hello all:

    It’s that time again where we decide to move to the new version. This is the one league decision that we put to a popular vote, because it costs people real-world money.

    The arguments for and against are always the same: new features and easier recruitment of new players vs. saving $$$ and staying with the tried and true.

    This poll will run for exactly 7 days from the moment I’m creating it. You can change your vote if you would like to as much as you want up to the cutoff time.

  • #22473
     La Habana KOR 
    Spectator

    I voted yes, but I think we should continue will 13 until the real-time all-star break discount. If that means we run with 13 for ’32 fine or we wait until the discount hits and then start up again I am fine with that as well.
    $ 0.02.

    dcc

  • #22474
     Thunder Bay KOR 
    Spectator

    Voted no. I fondly remember the pain in the a$$ everybody had on the transition and how much time was lost. Remembering the countless hours of difficulty we had and how people stated why we went to 13 wishing they were back in 12 still. I am all for pimpin Marcus. Even the new people coming in have issues. Just sayin.

  • #22475
     Santiago de Cuba USA 
    Spectator

    @La Habana (CAN) wrote:

    I voted yes, but I think we should continue will 13 until the real-time all-star break discount. If that means we run with 13 for ’32 fine or we wait until the discount hits and then start up again I am fine with that as well.
    $ 0.02.

    dcc

    I voted no because of this. I’m definitely in favor of upgrading, but let’s give it one more season and then upgrade. We usually upgrade around the middle of the MLB season anyway.

  • #22479
     La Habana KOR 
    Spectator

    I am confused by your no, because I stated that we could either run ’32 with 13 or wait til the discounted all-star break deal and run ’32 with 14. I am assuming you voted no because of the latter and not the former, right?

  • #22481
     Hong Kong CUB 
    Spectator

    @Thunder Bay (KOR) wrote:

    Voted no. I fondly remember the pain in the a$$ everybody had on the transition and how much time was lost. Remembering the countless hours of difficulty we had and how people stated why we went to 13 wishing they were back in 12 still. I am all for pimpin Marcus. Even the new people coming in have issues. Just sayin.

    That was indeed painful, but if this dissuades other people from voting yes, I would like to counterpoint that the crashing issues were on account of attempting to use 13’s new “associations” feature, and if we move to 14, I won’t be using that. So I don’t expect a repeat of those issues with continuity.

  • #22482
     Santiago de Cuba USA 
    Spectator

    @La Habana (CAN) wrote:

    I am confused by your no, because I stated that we could either run ’32 with 13 or wait til the discounted all-star break deal and run ’32 with 14. I am assuming you voted no because of the latter and not the former, right?

    Sorry about the confusion! I voted no because we can wait a couple months and get it at a discount.

    Overall, I’m in favor of upgrading but not right now.

  • #22486
     Busan CUB 
    Spectator

    busan votes no…. I find that when we upgrade we seem to have issues and we may loose a few of our dedicated gms.

  • #22488
     Bocas del Toro VEN 
    Spectator

    I vote NO…or at least not this upcoming season. Wait one more year and then transition sounds good to me. I didn’t really see any game changers in OOTP14, but I think the main benefit is probably for recruitment.

  • #22492
     Moca DOM 
    Spectator

    I for one and tired of their promising better features and all we get is recycled crap.

    I say no for this version. We waste too much money and time on new versions every year.

    Next summer let’s get on board with 15 I bet they have something big planned for it. (Or so they will say!)

  • #22496
     Bonao DOM 
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    Bonao votes No. I am in favour of upgrading at a later date as well.

  • #22501
     Changsha JPN 
    Spectator

    I voted no. When I bought ootp13 it was $19.99 on 3-14-13. That was a nice price.

  • #22521
     Vancouver CUB 
    Spectator

    Yeah, I’m going no too, at least for 2032. Bring it up again when it goes on sale.

    I kinda agree with Dan that the “improvements” are generally pretty lackluster. Gameplay’s pretty close to what it was when I joined the WBH with ootp9.

    I don’t recall all new features, but I think I remember something about more control over how the AI uses pinch-hitters and the bench. One of my biggest pet peeves in the old days was the AI would always use my shitty-hitting backup catcher as first pinch-hitter off the bench – sometimes early in the game leaving me with no backup catcher. Cap_PDT_01_15

  • #22530
     Hong Kong CUB 
    Spectator

    The vote’s going to fail, but in fact the changes in OOTP 14 are among the most significant in a while. I’ve been playing it, and it’s great to have more control over depth charts (particularly when you only manage essentially weekly), and also player development is greatly improved.

    But I guess these changes don’t move other people as much as they do me.

  • #22533
     La Habana KOR 
    Spectator

    Yea, I think you are right! These changes are pretty significant and are more than just icing on this year’s cake, but the people have spoken!

  • #22534
     Thunder Bay KOR 
    Spectator

    Not necessarily, even Marc said you can change your vote between now and end of voting. This would be a perfect opportunity for both sides to air their opinions even more. Why do you like 14? What is so different or better? Why not stay with 13? What are the benefits or restrictions? Are you sure that going to another version that there won’t be problems again on export and conversion? Just a few questions I have.

  • #22536
     La Habana KOR 
    Spectator

    My reasons for voting yes are two-fold…first, I think it is good for recruiting new GMs, not sure where we are at with numbers but turn-over is always an issue with on-line leagues (and I know the flip side of that coin which is GMs may leave with upgrading). I guess we have to see where are present numbers are and go from there. Second, I do think, as Marc already stated, the amount of control 14 gives you (from the dugout) is a big improvement from 13…the ability to set your bullpen arms and your pinch hitters is a major improvement to what 13 offers. $.02. But like I said above, I am fine with waiting and playing out the ’32 season with 13. I think we can revisit this when ’32 is over and the price drops. Good dialogue though, I am glad everyone is being respectful towards each other and staying on topic.

    dcc

  • #22544
     Moca DOM 
    Spectator

    as much as I love the draft and development (and more control over depth )

    Sell me on 14.

    What is so improved in development. Have you seen it be better 1st hand?

  • #22546
     Rizao CUB 
    Spectator

    I am a fan of waiting another year, then upgrading.

  • #22580
     Toa Baja KOR 
    Spectator

    yes to 14.

    The ability to control your bullpen alone is worth the upgrade. You can define the roles much more clearly such as ‘bring in 9th inning or later’ or bring in ‘6th inning or later’;

    Also, ‘use more often’ vs ‘use normal’ vs ‘use less often’. Designating a reliever as a SPECIALIST to be used against ‘rhb’ or ‘lhb’ is another additional control.

    Batting…you can list your pinch hitters in a separate priority box; same for pinch runners.

    For those that enjoy a nicer graphical interface I have found it to be much nicer in 14.

  • #22604
     Thunder Bay KOR 
    Spectator

    18 yes and 17 no. 21 did not vote. Wow!

  • #22605
     Santiago de Cuba USA 
    Spectator

    @Thunder Bay (KOR) wrote:

    18 yes and 17 no. 21 did not vote. Wow!

    That’s actually a pretty good voter turnout. We typically get 20-25 voters for awards.

    I’ll be a yes after 2032. Please bring it up for vote again next season.

  • #22606
     Thunder Bay KOR 
    Spectator

    I understand that.

    Still interesting though. A poll to change versions of which you play. 62.5% turnout. It’s unfortunate when we are supposed to be the “Best Damn Online League Period”. It doesn’t reflect well.

  • #22608
     La Habana KOR 
    Spectator

    Turn out may not be where you would like it, but the fact that we “all” get a chance to vote in the first place is pretty damn good IMO!

  • #22609
     Thunder Bay KOR 
    Spectator

    It is great that we have the opportunity to vote. It is fantastic. It is what makes this country great to vote. It makes this league great, too. I do understand that we have military playing in here. God Bless you guys for what you do. Marc gave everyone a week to vote. It just seems there would be a better output.

    I do wonder how much better things if there was more participation so yeah I am selfish in that respect. 62.5% voted. It makes one wonder how many are playing, because even less vote for HOF. What is the point of playing when not even 2/3 of your members are playing?

    What are the boards thoughts? If you are happy with those figures then its ok with me. If you are concerned about a debt conversation, surely at some point you have concerns about participation. Think about it. Each league has 8 teams in it. 3-4 teams of that league aren’t really playing. Why do you play online? Hopefully for the competition you’ll get aside from solo. Maybe 56 is too many teams.

  • #22611
     Santiago de Cuba USA 
    Spectator

    @Thunder Bay (KOR) wrote:

    It is great that we have the opportunity to vote. It is fantastic. It is what makes this country great to vote. It makes this league great, too. I do understand that we have military playing in here. God Bless you guys for what you do. Marc gave everyone a week to vote. It just seems there would be a better output.

    I do wonder how much better things if there was more participation so yeah I am selfish in that respect. 62.5% voted. It makes one wonder how many are playing, because even less vote for HOF. What is the point of playing when not even 2/3 of your members are playing?

    What are the boards thoughts? If you are happy with those figures then its ok with me. If you are concerned about a debt conversation, surely at some point you have concerns about participation. Think about it. Each league has 8 teams in it. 3-4 teams of that league aren’t really playing. Why do you play online? Hopefully for the competition you’ll get aside from solo. Maybe 56 is too many teams.

    I think it’s fine. There’s always going to be turnover and people who just don’t use the forums.

  • #22613
     Thunder Bay KOR 
    Spectator

    I can respect that.

  • #22614
     Thunder Bay KOR 
    Spectator

    Interesting way of playing an online game. You can’t sign waivers without logging on.

  • #22616
     Maracaibo USA 
    Spectator

    I think it’s fine. The BoD tracks all the exports and replaces guys who abandon teams after x-number of missed exports. That ensures an active league.

    I think if guys don’t want to take the time to participate in something like a hof vote, it’s no big deal. I see that As something like the all star voting in MLB. I’m a baseball fan but I have NO interest in participating in the All-Star balloting process. That doesn’t make me a bad fan.

    I imagine some guys didn’t vote on the ootp14 decision because they honestly didn’t care. They could live with either choice and didn’t want to influence the decision.

    Will, I love that you wish every owner was as active as you and I are, especially on the boards with trading and commentary, but, I think finding 56 people like us is a tall order, and probably not healthy; in fact, I think folks like us are a bigger risk of abandoning a league than the less-active folks because we take this stuff so seriously and have trouble not taking losses personally!

  • #22617
     Hong Kong CUB 
    Spectator

    @Thunder Bay (KOR) wrote:

    I do wonder how much better things if there was more participation so yeah I am selfish in that respect. 62.5% voted. It makes one wonder how many are playing, because even less vote for HOF. What is the point of playing when not even 2/3 of your members are playing?

    What are the boards thoughts? If you are happy with those figures then its ok with me. If you are concerned about a debt conversation, surely at some point you have concerns about participation. Think about it. Each league has 8 teams in it. 3-4 teams of that league aren’t really playing. Why do you play online? Hopefully for the competition you’ll get aside from solo. Maybe 56 is too many teams.

    Felt I needed to address some of your assumptions publicly because the numbers in your post don’t reflect the reality. One cannot infer the number of active teams from the amount of people that vote.

    Some people for whatever reason don’t vote, but it doesn’t mean they don’t participate.

    54 of the 56 teams were active at some point during the past season. There are usually a few teams inactive at any given time simply because people leave on an ongoing basis. So there is constant turnover, and usually no one informs us about an exit; they just vaporize. So then we need to establish that people are really gone, which we do with some communication, and assumptions on our end. That’s just part of running one of these leagues.

    Right now we have 3 open teams, but two people who are interested in joining. We try to keep the league full, and whenever we can, we add new GMs. Not upgrading to OOTP 14 will make it more difficult to recruit new GMs, but it’s happened before, and we’ve been fine.

    I think the long and short of it is: not everyone wants to contribute to shaping the league; some just want to set up their teams and lineups and play ball. I think that’s totally fine.

  • #22618
     La Habana KOR 
    Spectator

    Well said, with a better picture of “active” vs. “not active”. I figured as so, since I am guilty at times of not participating in all votes, but I think I have only missed one in all my real-time years here!

  • #22620
     Thunder Bay KOR 
    Spectator

    The accuracy of the numbers are well defined in this poll and previous posts on this thread. I don’t have the same level of communication and tools as you. So please forgive.

    Nonetheless, based upon the additional numbers you have procured lends the members to fill in the blanks of the number of “active” or “inactive” folk. You know where I reside. Numbers don’t lie.

  • #22621
     Erie VEN 
    Spectator

    I feel like you broke out a thesaurus to write your post. Cap_PDT_01_20

  • #22625
     Taegu JPN 
    Spectator

    Yeah I’m not sure I understand what the point of that post ultimately was

  • #22626
     Thunder Bay KOR 
    Spectator

    Felt I needed to address some of your assumptions publicly because the numbers in your post don’t reflect the reality. One cannot infer the number of active teams from the amount of people that vote.

    Some people for whatever reason don’t vote, but it doesn’t mean they don’t participate.

    54 of the 56 teams were active at some point during the past season. There are usually a few teams inactive at any given time simply because people leave on an ongoing basis. So there is constant turnover, and usually no one informs us about an exit; they just vaporize. So then we need to establish that people are really gone, which we do with some communication, and assumptions on our end. That’s just part of running one of these leagues.

    I think the long and short of it is: not everyone wants to contribute to shaping the league; some just want to set up their teams and lineups and play ball. I think that’s totally fine.

    It didn’t make any sense did it.

    My numbers which weren’t assumptions, but were according to the polls and Bob’s estimate on HOF voting. 62.5% voted those numbers can’t be fixed, nor are they exact to overall participation. Each league has 8 teams in it. 3-4 teams of that league aren’t really playing you can’t fix that based upon the poll results. I don’t have the same access as Marc figures. I have no idea of the correct amount of people leaving and/or coming on. Those are his numbers not mine. Forgive me for making a SWAG (Simple Wild Ass Guess).

    Everyone knows who are the “active” players as well as the who are the “inactive” players no matter what has been said. I do believe that there are three levels of players of this. “Very Active”, “Active”, and “Inactive”. I don’t think there is any question of what category I fall in with anyone in here.

    Fact of the matter is. The numbers that both of us have brought to the forefront isn’t exact, but probably somewhere in between. The figures if anything shows who is participating online and who is just playing the game.

    I think it’s fine. The BoD tracks all the exports and replaces guys who abandon teams after x-number of missed exports. That ensures an active league.

    I think if guys don’t want to take the time to participate in something like a hof vote, it’s no big deal. I see that As something like the all star voting in MLB. I’m a baseball fan but I have NO interest in participating in the All-Star balloting process. That doesn’t make me a bad fan.

    I imagine some guys didn’t vote on the ootp14 decision because they honestly didn’t care. They could live with either choice and didn’t want to influence the decision.

    Will, I love that you wish every owner was as active as you and I are, especially on the boards with trading and commentary, but, I think finding 56 people like us is a tall order, and probably not healthy; in fact, I think folks like us are a bigger risk of abandoning a league than the less-active folks because we take this stuff so seriously and have trouble not taking losses personally!

    @ Jeff – It makes sense about the All Star fan balloting. We are pretty active. I, like you, take a special interest in doing commentary and making the experience as real as possible. I don’t take losses to take harshly. Of course, it comes with the territory of being a owner of Thunder Bay all of this time. It’s baseball and losses are going to come. Additionally, I do think it is a hard task to find 56 diehard fans which perhaps it would be easier to find a smaller diehard league of players.

  • #22627
     Moca DOM 
    Spectator

    Will, I think I agree with you to some extent but being here nearly 25 seasons and being in tons of leagues over the years I can (possibly) help to fill you in that I think Marc is entirely correct in his assumptions and his data is a better representation.

    I have been in multiple leagues since joining this one. And in those leagues I, myself, have experienced a VASTLY varied amount of determination,excitement, interest, and activity.

    Now here I have (prob) the most number of posts ever by an owner not named “commish”. Why? Well I love this league and something about it has just struck a cord with me. You might htink I was this much of a pain in the ass in every league I was in. Nope, not the case. There have been a bunch of leagues I was in that I barely posted at all. I don’t know why, I still exported nearly every sim, but I just couldn’t bring myself to post.

    Others I barely even exported. Again, I don’t know why.

    And STILL others I was fairly active but couldn’t be bothered to vote on things like HOF or AS voting. I didn’t feel like I knew enough or cared about the history to vote.

    So I can see that we have all of these types of players in here. We have historically NEVER had a great turn out for any type of voting. It’s not that we didn’t have the GMs we just didn’t have GM’s who did it as much as the rest of us. Who knows why. Some people don’t want to waste the oh so long 5 extra mins to vote, some people don’t want to vote if they don’t have a horse in the race, and still some people are in here less then a year so they don’t feel qualified.

    Are these people not here? Are they not exporting? No and No, they are doing both. They just don’t vote on this stuff.

    This league will baffle you with many things, but one thing is for sure, it’s got SOMETHING that we all seem to love, that we all admire and we all come back for more.

    As some wise man loves to say…..

    The best damn league PERIOD!

    :mrgreen:

    Moca Man Dan

  • #22628
     Erie VEN 
    Spectator

    Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.

    I agree with Dan?

  • #22212
     Santurce de CAN 
    Spectator

    I used to be really active the first 20 seasons but have throttled back the last 10. My wife had a kid and I don’t spend much time scouting other teams anymore and my win percentage has fallen along with this lack of attention. This lack of situational awareness makes it hard to participate in a lot of discussions and votes. I generally vote HOF but do not put a lot of effort into it. I just don’t have time. These days, I really only have time to be involved with my team, to know my players. I have no idea who the best pitchers and hitters in my league are right now, I’m not even sure who was relegated/promoted this year… just know it wasn’t me!

    Not that we are heading there but I quit my other league because I got tired of listening to people who spend hours posting on the forums, tweaking their team strategy, and creating spreadsheets detailing their organizations complaining about people who don’t do that.

  • #23305
     Taegu JPN 
    Spectator

    14 is on sale for the ASB for half price – $19.99

    Seems that the overwhelming sentiment amongst the “no” votes was that it was a NO for now but a YES at a later date.

    I think upgrading to 14 after this season would be a great idea, and now’s a good time to get the game at a reduced price.

    And I think we could bring in some new GMs if we upgrade. What are some thoughts from the NO crowd? I’ll pick up 14 if it looks like a re-vote would change the outcome

  • #23306
     Santiago de Cuba USA 
    Spectator

    @Taegu (VEN) wrote:

    14 is on sale for the ASB for half price – $19.99

    Seems that the overwhelming sentiment amongst the “no” votes was that it was a NO for now but a YES at a later date.

    I think upgrading to 14 after this season would be a great idea, and now’s a good time to get the game at a reduced price.

    And I think we could bring in some new GMs if we upgrade. What are some thoughts from the NO crowd? I’ll pick up 14 if it looks like a re-vote would change the outcome

    I would change from “no” to “yes.” When does the sale end?

  • #23307
     Hamilton JPN 
    Spectator

    The sale ends Thursday.

  • #23308
     Taegu JPN 
    Spectator

    per OOTP, sale ends July 17

  • #23309
     Santiago de Cuba USA 
    Spectator

    @Taegu (VEN) wrote:

    per OOTP, sale ends July 17

    I just made my purchase. Thanks for sharing the link.

  • #23310
     Erie VEN 
    Spectator

    Yeah, I just purchased as well.

  • #23311
     Changsha JPN 
    Spectator

    Just pick up my ootp`14 for $19.99 no tax. Will be changing my vote NO to Yes.

  • #23316
     Baracoa CUB 
    Spectator

    Will also be changing my vote to a yes.

    We’re all cheap bastards Cap_PDT_01_26

  • #23320
     La Habana KOR 
    Spectator
  • #23322
     Moca DOM 
    Spectator

    @Baracoa (DOM) wrote:

    Will also be changing my vote to a yes.

    We’re all cheap bastards Cap_PDT_01_26

    I wouldn’t say that, it’s kinda how we have done it for years. The league doesn’t want to put unfair financial burden on the college kids out there so we have always waited till now or even later to upgrade.

  • #23336
     Taegu JPN 
    Spectator

    OK I just got 14, and will definitely be voting YES if we re-vote this offseason

  • #23364
     Roswell CAN 
    Spectator

    I too think we should move to OOTP 14 after this season.

    One feature I really like is the ability to control your bullpen more. More options on innings to bring in setup or closer and the ability for “specialists”.

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